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so first of all my names mat, im 18, im from australia, and im new to this forum. so hello to all

anywho i bought the restricted version of the gsx650f for my learners licence thinking i could just get it unrestricted, if only it was that easy. It turns out australia isnt to supportive of people unrestricting this bike and the only way to do it is to change the restricted ECU for the non-restricted one, which means i have to buy a new ECU, which means its going to cost me $1700, which isnt to fun at all
I've asked around at a few wreckers tryin to find a used one but so far no luck, so i thought id go global and try my luck.

If anyone has a wrecked GSX650F K9 or know of anyone who is wrecking one, or if anyone just wants to sell the ECU out of their bike for some reason, please post a reply to this.

Ill happily pay up to $1000 AUD if anyone has what im after.

Its not life threatening or anything like that its just 35hp in a 240kg bike isnt to thrilling




thanks to anyone that can help

What state you in Mat.

Have you thought of trading the LAMS bike on a full pony bike.

Duno how much you'll get for a trade but maybe your dealer will look after you

Seeing how your bike is a 2009 model and most states say you are to be on restrictions for at least 12 months be careful of going the 'big' ecu route as it could bring bad karma from the boys in blue.

IMO LAMS in Australia is going to be a shit thing if they will not allow ECU changes to the bikes. I recon Suzuki (and others if they are doing the same thing) will loose sales unless they start offering up the big ECU at a discount for LAMS bike riders legitimately upgrading due to ending their restricted period.

Hi Matt and welcome.

Like dhula said fill in your profile {see at the top of the page} ,with your location and ......sydney OZ or queensland OZ etc ,will be easier for everyone to help you out today and in the future.

you could try to Email a suzuki dealer in the UK or USA and see if they will send you one.
I don't think they are worth $1700 ,I think its just suzuki australia charging that price to put people off changing the restrictions ,so they sell and buy a full 650F.



Its not LAMS ,its suzuki .
You can get a LAMS 650 hyosung and swap it to a full power form ,it takes 30 minutes to do and just change the rego label.
The old ducati monsters ,just had a piece of plastic under the throttle so you couldn't turn it fully {from what I've been told}. and just change the rego label.

The our bike is ADR ,in the restricted and full power ..and can be swaped easy ,its just suzuki not wanting to supply the part and selling more bikes.
It would be just the stroke of a pen with the RTA.

In NSW ,there are new laws coming in june ,where anyone under 25 ,will have to be on their P's for 3 years .
So this restricted bike will be a hot seller ,no many will buy a 250cc and want to ride it for 3 years, a restricted 650 will be the bike of choice.

Suzuki are complete wankers for doing this to learners. Surely it doesn't require an entirely new ECU, just a new fuel mapping, which is entirely software. Or am I not understanding something?

I expect that at some point people will start offering ECU "mods", the same way they do for games consoles. Who the hell wants to buy a new bike just because of a fuel mapping?

If suzuki offered this service on their restricted LAMS bikes they would double their sales, at least.

Remapping the ECU isn't as easy as one would think now a days.
There is a lot that little black box can and does do

While there are those that have hacked the Busa ECU with much success, they are only just starting on the bandit ECU and are finding it is more involved than the Busa one. They are getting along at a slow pace (as people are doing this work in their spare time) but are finding the bandit (and hence GSXF) ECU is quite a little box of tricks.

Suzuki could probably do it without a doubt,


but will they

+1 for common sense. If they wanted, they could sell you something akin a little USB dongle to plug into it by a cable and poof you'd be upgraded. Apparently, they don't want.

I have nothing constructive to offer on the subject of ECU remaps but I would like to point out how funny I think the word 'dongle' is.

I think this is about the fourth thread on this topic so it's obvious that this is really annoying people, myself included. I have a K8 purchased a few months ago.

I've mentioned in other threads that I have purchased a Power Commander from the US which apparently piggy backs the ECU so it makes no permanent changes to the bike. But I've been told if I install it and then have the bike retuned it will run at full power. Apparently this will void the warranty and I'm assuming it's not entirely legal.

It cost me about $A450 and there are many shops in the US that sell them. I just Googled for it and decided to purchase it from a shop in Los Angeles, JC Motors. See http://www.jcmotors.com.

I'm not planning on installing it until I get off my L's so I can't give you any feedback on how it works until later in the year.

Cheers.

Can I borrow it then until you do?

Darrell, you may want to do a hole lot more research into the PC3 and the LAMS (restricted) bike especially how they will interact together.

I know a bit about the PC3 and how it all works but not enough to know if it will give a huge gain on the LAMS machine.

I've seen gains of 20-30 hp in bigger bikes and I guess with the skills and time someone could get more but I don't know if it could get as much as you'd expect to be = to a non restricted bike

There are other things also like a O2 bypass that will be needed

Until I learn a bit more and at this stage IMO the best bet to get a unrestricted bike is to either trade when the time comes and get the full pony bike, buy a full pony ECU from Suzuki Australia (be careful buying a USA ECU as they may have different maps due to different emissions rules, I know the Bandit does) or look for a binned bike at the wreckers and get a ECU that way.

Thanks for the info. It's been like pulling teeth to get information about this and I'm sure that the Power Commander won't be the perfect solution and that I'm taking a bit of a punt with it. But for the money I thought it would be worth a try. So you can consider me the test case.

I have a gut feeling, based on official comments I've seen, that Suzuki is not going to come to the party on this issue. Apparently it costs them money to deal with Gov regulations for providing the ability to re-certify a bike and let's face it the GSX650F is very good value for cost. They have been upfront about the bike not having an option to be unrestricted.

The plus side is that it's a very popular learner bike so I think it will hold it's value well in the used market and that will be of benefit when trading it in. But I doubt my next bike will be a Suzuki as a result of all this. I really think they need to rethink their strategy on this issue or risk losing customers like me. After all, their competitors do offer bikes that can be unrestricted with ease so why don't they? Even if it does up the price $500 or a bit more I think buyers would be fine with that. I'm certainly not keen on spending over $10k on something I then have to sell in just a year.

Anyway, I'm happy to be the test case but it's going to have to wait a few months. The bike has far more power than I need/want for the time being. After a 21 year break from bikes and given how heavy it is, I'd like a bit more experience before modifying it.

I only noticed the issue because I'm now spending a bit of time riding with others who are experienced and I can see how much easier it is for their bikes to climb up to speed out of corners etc. So as my experience requires a bit more kick at the high end, I am beginning to feel the difference.

Again, thanks for the info. It's very helpful and I appreciate it. I'll be sure to post any more info I get here and will be very interested in any more info that other owners come up with.

Cheers.

Agreed.


It may not be legal, but I call shenanigans on the premise, if I'm following you right. I have heard nothing that would indicate that installing a Power Commander and then removing it would render the bike in a state other than before the operation.

If you have a PC3 installed and it is proven that it has caused an engine problem your warranty will be void

Keep in mind that installation of a PC3 (or other tuning device) is usually in the search for more HP which Suzuki did not build into the engine so causes greater stress on the engine and supporting components (gearbox, chain, brakes, frame etc etc)

How the warranty would be effected on a restricted ECU considering it is a down rated bike (25 kw in Oz I believe) is anyones guess, but IMO if the PC3 was found to be 'at fault' your OEM warranty isn't worth the paper it's printed on

I don't think you would have to have a engine problem for the warranty to be voided. Indeed, I'm fairly confident that installing a Power Commander will void the warranty full stop given the bike is being modified outside of factory specs.

But remember, people install Power Commanders all the time to have greater control over engine mapping for simple situations such as changing the exhaust system or tunigh a bike for driving on tracks. My understanding of the what the Power Commander will do is that it simply piggy backs on the existing ECU and remaps the fuel injection back to the same as the unrestricted specs.

As for increasing the power causing problems with other components because the bike isn't designed for it, I doubt that's a concern at all. There are two versions of this bike being sold, one restricted and one full power. From what I can find out the two are identical with the exception of the ECU mapping. Indeed others on this forum have indicated that they can swap out their ECU legally in other countries.

In other words, it's the same bike/engine but one is simply electronically crippled. Which is why it's bullshit that Suzuki does not offer an option to unrestrict the bike once the owner has a full license just as other manufactures do. I maintain that this is a serious mistake on their part and will cost them sales given that competing manufactures do offer the option to convert to an unrestricted state. It's a real shame as the bike is just fantastic in every other respect.

Cheers.

Completely agreed. It's a simple switch. Why not allow it to be turned on when the rider is certified. I call shenanigans.