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If you guys find the OFFICIAL word, let us know because I'm interested.

Finally found the actual text of US FMVSS 108 at this link straight from the horse's mouth. Here's the verbatim bottom line for motorcycle turn signals:

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At or near the front--1 amber on each side of the vertical centerline at the same height, and having a minimum horizontal separation distance (centerline of lamps) of 16 inches. Minimum edge to edge separation distance between lamp and headlamp is 4 inches.

At or near the rear--1 red or amber on each side of the vertical centerline, at the same height and having a minimum horizontal separation distance (centerline to centerline of lamps) of 9 inches. Minimum edge to edge separation distance between lamp and tail or stop lamp is 4-inches, when a single stop and taillamp is installed on the vertical centerline and the turn signal lamps are red.

So the 9 inches rear requirement is true. Also note the requirement of a 4 inch edge-to-edge separation.

Case closed -- that integrated unit is NOT legal in the US. Neither are many others we commonly see.

I also found it notable to read the 16 inches apart requirement for the front And 4 inches away from the headlight. This means converting the parking lights to turn signals is right out, too.

Still haven't found actual legislative text confirming whether or not individual US states can relax the requirements, but I'm guessing not (and proceeding under that assumption). I know California for one adds stuff on top. My constitutional law knowledge is a bit rusty, but my strong guess would be for the courts to say that since the vehicles are invovled in interstate commerce, everyone has to do what Congress and the NHTSA say.

I'm really pleased to know at least this much now, so I can make sure my upcoming turn signal mods are kosher.

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Awesome man, good stuff.

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TorqueDude,

Dang you rock lol! Thanks for sifting through the jibber jabber and finding this!


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Sorry, I just realized I read wrongly. The 4 inch edge-to-edge separation from the brake light only applies if the turn signals are red. But the 9 inch center-to-center still goes.

So that unit would actually be legal if the centers of the yellow areas are 9 inches apart. Doesn't look even close to it, though.

Time for more coffee.

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Nothing specific to the indicators but some other interesting modification laws in NSW

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi28.pdf

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WAAAAH i really hope that my integrated turn signal on my new tail is legal!!!!


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pancakefactory wrote:
WAAAAH i really hope that my integrated turn signal on my new tail is legal!!!!


It's not legal but enforcement varies in each area I guess. I know here in SoCal, the metropolitan coastal areas enforce it since the beaches attract riders. Among those riders there are bad apples who stunt, have loud exhaust, speed etc. Those bad apples are the reason why residents complain therefore the local authorities end up nailing bikers for every little detail to try and keep them out of the area.

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FMVSS 108 wrote:
At or near the front--1 amber on each side of the vertical centerline at the same height, and having a minimum horizontal separation distance (centerline of lamps) of 16 inches. Minimum edge to edge separation distance between lamp and headlamp is 4 inches.

At or near the rear--1 red or amber on each side of the vertical centerline, at the same height and having a minimum horizontal separation distance (centerline to centerline of lamps) of 9 inches. Minimum edge to edge separation distance between lamp and tail or stop lamp is 4-inches, when a single stop and taillamp is installed on the vertical centerline and the turn signal lamps are red.


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Among those riders there are bad apples

+1 what a shame.


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UGH so this means when i take my baby through inspection in a couple of years i gotta go through the hassle of rewiring it for the stock piece of crap!?!!?!?!?


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Depends on your locality's knowledge of the laws and attitude I guess. You might get away with it, I know many have gotten away with worse during inspections.

Where you at pancake? I just noticed you don't have your location in your profile despite the request of the ever-present sticky, lol :)


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i dont have it posted!?!?!?!? oh..... oops. im in Wilmington Delaware. lol as long as theres a hot girl to take my bike through i garuntee ill pass. lol i have a hot friend of mine who actually rides too! good coincidence! she rides an fz6 or something like that. lol kinda old and ugly but its fast as shit!


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Pics or I call shenanigans! lol :)


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lol whats your cell phone number? ill send you the picture of her. or i can just send you the facebook link.


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