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 Post subject: Re: Opinions on K&N filters?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 6:22 am 
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As with everything there is always going to be those that say "go for it, no problem" and those that say "don't do it because"

If you don't want to read a "I won't use one because" story stop reading now. If you are interested in my comments, keep reading


I won't use a K&N on anything after seeing first hand what the filtering ability is like on a 4WD. I will clarify that this was on a 4WD that is used in all kind of conditions including dust, mud and crap, not just on the road.

Before we fitted the K&N filter, we checked the inlet tract from the air filter box to the inlet manifold to see what it looked like dirt and crud wise. After many many kms (somewhere in the vicinity of 80,000) it was relatively clean and dust free.
We fitted the K&N after making sure the filter was treated IAW the instructions and used K&N stuff to do so.
After 5,000 kms of rough and tumble (nothing we had not done before and we checked the filter every week to ensure it never went dry) we pulled the inlet tract to have a look and see what we found. We found evidence that dust and crud had got past the filter and made it's way down the inlet tract towards the engine. Had it entered the engine - who knows we never pulled it down to check but common sense says yes it did.
For this reason it is my opinion that K&N are not designed for all conditions and I will not use one. That being said a K&N will probably do OK on the main roads where dust and crap is at a minimum.
The extra expense and stuff around of having to clean and retreat a K&N is also another reason I will not use one. true in the long run retreating will end up cheaper than buying a new paper filter each time, but do your math first to be sure you will get the benefit if this is your reason for buying a K&N
Power increase IMO was negligible. Induction noise increased giving the impression of more power but was it really better. I can't say as we never put it on a dyno to find out but IMO maybe , maybe not. A proper tune could probably have done the same thing.

Some other things.
Filters that rely on an oil type substance as the K&N (and others such as finer filter and uni filter) does as the filter medium will mess with electronics (O2 sensors) and cat converters if not retreated correctly. Even when done properly they can sometimes mess with stuff.

Fuel mapping on a GSX650F can be changed to a degree without the need for add on boxes. 2 of the most common are a yoshie box and the BikeTech Fi adjuster. I ahve the latter and can say it's a good tool. when doing idle adjustments if you go form full rich to full lean in one hit the engine almost stalls.

I won't use one on my bikes or in my 4WD but if you want to use one then read all you can about them and make an informed decision.

Don't just limit yourself to K&N either as there are many aftermarket filters out there.

happy trails


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 Post subject: Re: Opinions on K&N filters?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 5:09 pm 
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GSXCherrios wrote:
OK, GSXFun requested I "chime in" on my K&N experience :D .

I put in new Iridium plugs last night with the K&N air filter and I can conservatively state for sure it felt like at least a 6 to 8 HP gain on today's freeway test run, but I think more than that but won't claim it. At one point it felt like it wanted to power wheelie in 3rd gear...no clutch tricks just wanted to power up. Improved air flow along with the plug efficiency gain over the stock plugs has made me very happy!

With happiness is always a little real world dashed on. The K&N filter rubber mold is a little thicker than the stock air filter. It took quite a bit of negotiating to fit it in the lower half of the air filter case without stripping down the bike. Once it was in place, it also took a bit of might to get the stock (short) air fliter case screws back in...thank goodness for long screw drivers with large handles :P. Before I clean the air filter next time around I will invest is 4 slightly longer replacement screws.

As for the plugs, I think it would have been easier to pull the motor to change out the plugs :twisted:.


I forgot to add that I will be scheduling a DYNO to see if there was a HP change from my last DYNO.

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 Post subject: Re: Opinions on K&N filters?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:08 am 
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Ok thats my point you do not need to remap for a air filter !!!!!!!
I took the air filter box right out of my bike while repairing it and it was ran fine why ?? fuel injection system
Ok now i know how fi works but maybe not good at getting my point across Mechanic 28 years and i i do is fix driveabilty problem 8 hours a day!!!
Yes there maped but they will + and - fuel as needed. No air filter is going to up set the fi to the point that it will put the fi light on is all im saying!!


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 Post subject: Re: Opinions on K&N filters?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:34 pm 
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Theres some interesting information here about air filters:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest2.htm

IMHO have only used it in cars and the drop in type and the gains are negligible, I remember one guy dyno'd his car with stock paper filter and then with kn filter and it made all of 1 extra bhp.
Probably worth it if you do your own servicing as you only need to oil it and not get a new one.

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